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The Player is the child of Murtaugh and Liz.
To which he/she will be born in the 4th layer of reality, while at the same time of his/her birth will repair all the damage done in the 3rd Layer.

Now...I keep ranting "The Player is the child of Murtaugh and Elizabeth", and I do have the most simple proof to why I know this is true. It was in the Temple.

The Temple Map

First of All, the pyramid Section. That section is made up of 1/4th of the same material that makes up a single Wisdom Gem. We know its a four sided triangle. Or a pyramid in 3rd Dimensional terminology. But...we have to remember, we only saw half of the whole layout of the Temple itself. Cause we were only looking in one direction the whole time. Cause, the way I see the purpose of the Temple, is the same reason we have Museums or Library. But...the information hides within the structure of the Temple. Both in the solid and non solid matter.

Now...I know that the Player is the Child of Murtaugh and Elizabeth. Because, in order to enter the foundation of the Temple, we had to go one of two ways, the hatch under Murtaugh statue, or the Hatch under Elizabeth Statue. There is a hatch under Mur Statue, we simple can't access it because the red soil seals not only the door, but also hides the lock mechanism.

Now...Elizabeth was "Born" first. Then Murtaugh was "Born" sometime after Elizabeth was born. But...they never met face to face until they were at layer 5 before the entrance to the Temple.

I know this thanks to the side games of the Submachine series. Murtaugh lived at the lighthouse when it was still inside the Core. And he was communicating to Elizabeth when she was a bit "Older" to a certain point.

Then...Murtaugh is Buried alive and the Lighthouse Drifts into the Outer Rim. To which he then escapes through his man made portal and arrives at the Loop. But...while he was there, his other layered counterparts were doing something else.

One was entering the Temple in Submachine 0, and one of the other went insane and was thrown into the asylum in the Future Loop Foundation. And another layer of him was exploring the 32 Chambers. While his second Layer self was exploring the Root. Then...when the Murtaugh from the 3rd Layer was nearing the end of the Loop, he realize he needed to "Take a Step Back".

And he instead search around the loop and found the leaf, and also the statue. To which he then left the note behind for anyone who was also trap in the loop because of him. When he escape, he also figure out the Puzzle in the Temple in Sub 0 to find his "Second" wisdom Gem. as well as restore, or "prolonged" the existences of the Submachine by Resting or "Correcting" the Mayan calendar. And at the same time he also Woke up in the Future Loop foundation, and remember who he was. That is when he knew he wanted to "Go Home". Or to simple returned to the Core.

After which he found some inhabitants in one or more layer attempting to "Explore" the Submachine. But...at the time of his arrival, he was actually in the past before he was even born. To which was approximately 32 years before the year 2012.

Now...there were many scientist, explorers, and other staff workers. One of whom was Elizabeth, but at a younger age when she too was Curious. And had yet to entered the Core. That is the player in Submachine Universe. And...when she found the coordinates to the Sanctuary, she also found then note "She" left herself. That is when she understood Murtaugh intention to go home and simple left the lab team, along with the coordinates to the Sanctuary. Then after sometime she is accepted into the Core lab team. And is given her ship to and her team. Sometime later after she outlives many of her colleague she receives a letter from the younger murtaugh.

Now...murtaugh, the one with the lab team, he still trying to break into the edge of the Submachine, which is the border of the Submachine universe as well as the defense system of the Core of the Submachine world. Most of his lab staff are dead, and the one he has left, he ask them to go the edge. But...he did remember where two of the 3 wisdom gems were, and knew they could obtained again through the Root. He also knew where 2 of the 3 Wisdom gems are when himself map out the Root. He also had a list of coordinates to where several of the movers where dock and forgotten at outside of the edge.

Now...many die where some never got all 3 wisdom gems, or at the edge, until one of his lab team did. And they shut down the defense system.

After which he simply could not bring this person back, because the mover they used was confiscated by the defense system.

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WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:
The people in the Core knew he could simple take the short cut at the sanctuary (Which I know location somewhere close to the defense system, cause it house the only portal that could travel an even more sort distances between two point than the edge of the outer rim, and the edge of the Core) So...they set up multiple defenses all across the whole actual sanctuary location in all of the layers. They were the one who breach the wall, and at that same time Elizabeth left the note for herself hidden somewhere near that wall in one of the layers.

Now...the equipment at the sanctuary in Submachine 7 the core, it was not from Murtaugh team, they were all dead by that time. They were left behind by the Core Team. Cause...the shields, you simply could not bypass the second one. It may have been a puzzle for us to get pass, but they left it like that so murtaugh could not get to the core.

He arrived at the sanctuary in all seven layers at the same time. And he could get through the first shield, but not the second. Simply cause the equipment were in all of the 7 layers. But...they did it in a rush and left many of the spare machinery behind. As well as the 3rd wisdom gem from root at from coordinates 1, 2.

I know it came from the root because it was called an Energy Gem. And that tells me it been around for while in the possesion of those in charge of the Core. Cause, the fact it was called an Engery Gem, not a Wisdom Gem makes it sound like it was an old battery that still work. We have to remember, there were only 3 wisdom gem in the entire Submachien universe. The ones in SNEE don't count cause you can take them all, but you can only do so much with them if they are not needed to solve another puzzle.

That was their downfall, murtaugh was able to take one of the poles and smash the light bulb of the second shield and was able to fix the arch portal and return to the winter palace and the core.

Now...Elizabeth left her greeting card at the other end, then evacuated with the rest of her team to the Knot. Cause, we know there are other people besides murtaugh and Elizabeth, but I see her superiors the equivalence of the today scientific community. thought they could kill murtaugh at the entrance to the temple in layer 5.

They set of the firing squad in layer 6, while Elizabeth was opening the gates to the temple behind their backs in both space and time while in each layer. Also understand this, murtaugh was getting hit from the bullets. But the guns where fired in their own layer. So they could only kill one of himself. Which when he arrived finally in Layer 5 though the karma portal he first set at the left side of the purple pyramid. Which the guns in layer 6 destroy. Then..at the same time he set another karma portal within the first one he put and arrived at the platform in layer 1. And then open the makes his way to layer 5 on foot by using the navigator Elizabeth left him. Slowly making his way through layer 1, 2, 3, and 4 until making it to layer 5. Right there he then realize his other selves in the other layer were dead. Simple cause they were shot.

Now...he fall down in pain in realization and he was almost killed by the firing squad in layer 6, until Elizabeth simple walk up to him and they don't fire cause they were afraid to kill her as well. When they talk, they figure out everything. Murtaugh only knew what he knew, and Elizabeth knew only what she knew. But, in the process to save Murtaugh she killed her other layer selves as well to activate the light door in layer 5 while staying in layer 5, 6, and 7.

Now...murtaugh was able to fix every layer with Elizabeth help. But he was unable to fix the 3rd one cause his original self was also dead. like the note mentioning about the important of either original or flawed copy. He dies, then Elizabeth dies. And they are both buried, and everyone else dies after many eons living the Submachine.

The submachine, left with itself while trying to fix the 3rd layer needed someone to do it, but the only people who could where murtaugh and Elizabeth. So it decides to create a child of them both. But only through the memory of what murtaugh and Elizabeth Experience. Also understand it tried and failed many time to give "Birth" to this child. because they still had free will, but they made one mistake and died from it. That is the whole point of the main game series.

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WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:
Now...I know the player of the main submachine series is the child of murtaugh and Elizabeth. Cause, the foundation of the temple, which can only be entered through either the hatch under Murtuagh or Elizabeth Statue. Because, the only path available is under Elizabeth Statues, (That why when we climb down the rope we see only the right half of the stature of what I presumed to be Shiva)and the last light in the vast darkness of the game is located directly under the the top of the pyramid. T

This I know, cause, the whole temple is the original wisdom Gem.It been around since the beginning of the existence of the Submachine Universe. It also known as Sector 9. And the actual structure of the statue room is squeeze between the space occupied between Murtaugh and Elizabeth Statue. The proof is at the very top of the temple, where we get the rope. Did anyone notice the statue in the middle of that room? Or the fact its the same statue used to houses the light key to the temple entrances in layer 5 back in Submachine 8, the plan.

My proof to this was the drawing from Submachine 8, the plan.

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WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:
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Elizabeth was the one leaving the drawing behind for Murtaugh to find so he could reach layer 5 from layer 1. And this one does tell you how to unlock the lock holding the key to the entrance to the temple. But...it also hides the whole blue print to the temple.

Has anyone ever trace a 3 equal sided triangle on a sheet of paper, then fold the paper in half and cut along those lines? That will give you a diamond.

If we trace the all of the dot in order from left to right, you will have the lower blue prints to the Temple. But...if you trace the line and skip 5th dot from the left and kept drawing a straight line at that angle, and did the same thing with the last two dots closes to the right side of the paper. the lines will intercept and you will have the upper blueprints to the Temple, or the Pyramid if you will.

Now...again...the Submachine is trying to create a child of Murtaugh and Elizabeth so it can fix the 3rd layer. But many of it past fails were due to this simple fact. They didn't read all of the notes. Cause...its trying to import the wisdom from the experience that both Elizabeth and Murtaugh learned in their lifetime.

And the Player of the Main Submachine Games is going to be the child of Murtaugh and Elizabeth. And I know this cause...he/she read all of the notes to survive. And in the Exit, he/she will be born within all of the 7 layers, as well as the 3rd layer some time after it been fully fix and life grew back into the Submachine. They would not have been able to exit the loop, or get out of the lighthouse to begin with.

But...the player will be born in the 4th layer and he/she will be born without a right arm. And will then put his/her hand in the Kent waterfalls which himself/herself already was there before or after that one moment another point in time in other layer 1-7 not counting the 4th.

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WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:
And the Submachine is the 3rd Dimension, Cause....we saw the answer. The basement, the one in Submachine 1, it use to be connected to the lighthouse. Cause...the elevator use in the end, it would connect to the space between the original dungeon, and the Lighthouse. If we play Submachine 2, the lighthouse, and look to the left of at the top of the first ladder, which is also the same location where the radio is to the right. The platform, it goes nowhere, and its seems pointless. But...it use to be where the elevator would stop.

Shiva...who ever that may be, has this master plan to make the perfect world; or at least something of the sort in layer 8. But....it involves a big trial and error plan.

Cause...he needed to build 8 layers, have the first 7 inhabited by humans. Then...have some one born in layer one and do what murtaugh did and damage the whole plan. Then have it fix but leave the first layer broken for the next person born in layer 2 to do the same thing again and damage the whole plan only to fix all of it except the 2nd layer, while having the 1st completely repaired.

Then murtaugh comes in and does his part, but unfortunately, it takes too long and everyone who lived within the submachine in all layers died off in the end. So...needing to fix this part, he has the player go through locations that either Murtaugh or Elizabeth been through to learn a massive history lesson of the sort. That is what going to come from Submachien 10, the Exit.

Cause...Elizabeth was the second person, and her father was sir Henry O'Toole or the first person born in layer 1. Cause...he was the one who knew what was going on with murtaugh, but died before he could fully explain it.


The platform, it goes nowhere, and its seems pointless. But...it use to be where the elevator would stop.
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WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:
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The Player of the Main series, he/she is technical not there. At least in physical Human Form. Its the work of the Submachine itself. Along with the help of "Shiva" who ever that is. Now...The player in the Submachine series, I could go as far as to say he/she is an Egg, or a Sperm for that matter.

I didn't pick the word Egg and Sperm as random Words.
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WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:
Oh look, my proof arises again. The Submachine is the 1st Atom.
And here is my proof.
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I know this seems rather pointless, but its from Submachine HD.
Mateusz, you action speak louder than your postes. Its not what you change, it more about what is not there.

I've look at this map a hundered times, and I can't find the original anymore (Cause the image on the wiki has been switch with the top one) and the free version is also been change.

But its the letter "i". It used to be the letter "l" or L. This I recall cause a capital i is I, and a lower case L is l.

Do tell me...its not the point of what he change, but as to Why he change it. I recall the original map was about "infestation" of a sort. It was hinted to be "Humans". but that is not the case.

Have anyone seen that episode of Futuama, it was in the 7th season where the professor invent a time machine that could only go "Forward" not "Backwards" in time? Despite the whole episode, to which they kept moving forward in time in hopes to reach a point to where someone invented a backward time machine.

Towards the end, they when they ended up at the end of the universe, they decided to just keep going forward. They ended up in the point where the universe died, but then the big bang happened again? They ended up in the Past to which the universe went through a cycle, so they could simple return back to the point where they left. They made a mistake and went past that point and had to go the "Long" way around.

When they got "Back" they were position in an earth were the ground was actually 5 feet lower than the earth they were from. To which a paradox was resolved when they landed on "Themselves" and killed them.


Futurama Song - Year 252525 / The Time Maschine Song

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WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:
Again...I know it was rather pointless to bring that episode up, but its to better explain my theory. Its not the point of "When" in the Submachine, but simple "Where". Each Layer of reality is the same location, but simple after a "Restart" and life continued.

The Submachine is the 3rd Dimension. Or the Universe "Before" the actual big bang. Its the first "Atom" that created the chained event to the point where the Big bang will happen.

And again, Murtaugh was "Given" this power by Shiva. All "Parts" or "Versions" of him. The Murtaugh from the 3rd layer didn't "Gain" his powers until he put his non existing left arm in the Kent waterfalls. It not the point of "When" but "Where".

This note:
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Its not the point of "When" but "Where".
Has anyone ever seen the movie Time Cop? If you havn't and are planning to do so, then don't watch this spoiler.

Occupying the same "Space" at the same "Time".

This is what would have happen to Murtaugh by the majority point of perception. That he could be in all layers at once. Its not the point of him being in "All of them at once" but rather the point he put his left arm in the exact same waterfall as his counterparts in the other layers did at one point in their lifetime in their own layer.

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This is what going to happen at the end of the Submachine 10 the exit, The player is born in the 4th layer. All of what went on with Murtuagh, Elizabeth, and Sir Henry O'toole. Will repeat 3 more times reaching the 7th layer. Then...when this cycle ends in the 7th Layer, the Big Bang will occur in the 8th Layer, and the universe we are in now will exist.


This is the most profound theory I've ever read on this forum. I applaud you for that.

It seems as if you're reading Matuesz's mind. Maybe but maybe not. He's unpredictable. :P Amazing theory with great detail however. I would never expect that the Submachine is simply before the creation of the universe/cause of the big bang but it makes perfect sense.

However, the computer that answered "why are we?" is still a mystery. Maybe it is a physical/technological manifestation of Shiva?

And as for Shiva, I believe he is the master of not only the subnet, but all of existence as we know it. He is God.

And as for why he's called Shiva, I don't think he's named after the deity Shiva, but because I just realized that Shiva literally means this:

Shiva: the seven days of mourning just after the funeral of a close relative in Judaism

Notice the word seven?

Now connecting to your theory, perhaps the plan is Shiva's grand master scheme; the events that will create the big bang.

A note from Sub 8:

The plan

- But why the boundaries. Why this particular shape?

- The idea is to give you the glimpse of the plan. Just a glimpse. Seeing it in all it's glory would blind your mind.

Maybe it would "blind your mind" because the plan is the work of God? The human mind perhaps can not comprehend it.

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Influence wrote:
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Influence welcome to the Pastel Forum.
And thank you for you help.
I knew that Shiva was a Jewish God, [img]At%20least%20what%20my%20mother%20said[/img] and I never went much research on that. Simple cause I don't fully trust the internet and I don't know how to navigate the contents of the Koran copy at the library I work at.


Hi there, and thanks! :D

Yeah same here, I didn't really research it till a google search just now.

The word "Shiva" in hebrew what I found literally means "seven". Before I thought that it was named after the deity Shiva, but now after finding this maybe it is because it has more relevance to the submachine. Perhaps he is not only the ruler of the seven main layers but he is actually God.

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