So are the submachines made, or evolved? I think back to 2001: a space odyssey, where the fourth (?) dimension presented as a room, not because it was made but because it was only perceivable as a room. Are(non man made) sub machines locations, as seen by us, not as themselves?

Well, I agree,I do think the Kent incident somehow connected mur with S.H.I.V.A. If we look at S.H.I.V.A, as a multilayer sentien entity, mur became a multi layer traveler/ sentient entity by virtue of his arm. The waterfall is also often used a portal imagery. Behind a waterfall is a cave etc etc.

I was not referring to S.H.I.V.A, but the symbolism of the name and imagery of shiva the hindu god in a symbolic way, and what it may hint about mur and S.H.I.V.A. I probably should have been clearer about that. Sorry about that

I hope it's okay to post here, but I was wondering why I have seen no discussion of Shiva(the hindu god)'s multiple arms and Murtaughs arms? Also shiva bringing destruction like murtaugh? Maybe it is just too obvious?

Isn't the real world just layers without a subnet? Or have I misunderstood the whole thing? So can't you build a lighthouse using karma in the real world that will exist in all layers at once? Including those of the subnet? Sorry if that is a silly question, I'm new and as such not entirely up to sp...

Hi I'm aurora and I am new. I love the lore of submachine, but I am relatively new to it.